Don wrote:Fast charging could (and should) be designed so as to be a 30 minute installation at the dealership - Much better than sticking it in every car and charging $700 for something many will never use. By the time fast EV charging shows up in most neighborhoods, CHAdeMO may not be the industry standard any longer . . . . think BetaMax. Found a replacement player to watch your old Beta movies anywhere lately? Glad you paid $1K to buy your original machine? Having any luck with your eBay sale of the dusty pile of Beta movies you found in the attic?
Part of what's wrong with the way this car is marketed by sales people (IMO) is that some are attempting to sell it as a replacement for an ordinary car to an uneducated populace. If your best sales tactic is to lie to them that it only takes 25 minutes to charge, you're setting yourself up to have a TON of unhappy customers in the very near future
Wow Don, you really must have it in for Beta!
From what I've read about the fast charge, dealer install is not an option, since it's only practical to do all the heavy duty wiring, etc., during manufacture. To make it dealer installable, you'd either need to put so much of the prep (hence expense) into every car it would defeat the purpose of making it a dealer option, or the dealer would have to partially disassemble and rebuild the car, a process so expensive it would, ah, defeat the purpose, again. Given present-day constraints, the car's charging system is set up for DC fast charging or not; I'm betting the external interface matters less than all the internals, so I'm inclined to think of buying CHAdeMO today as a way of keeping my options open in the future.
I completely agree about the bad behavior of salesmen. They need to understand that the disclosure documents that Mitsubishi provides for review by serious buyers needs to be part of the customer qualification process, not a surprise to be sprung as papers are being signed (my experience, though I already knew most of what was in there). The disclosures are for the protection of all concerned, and less-informed buyers who vaguely like the idea of an EV need to be presented with the realities of the trade-offs inherent in current technology. I think Mitsubishi gets right up to the line of "truthiness" in the marketing messages at their web site to start with, and if the dealers play fast and loose as well, the results could be bad.
I went in with my eyes wide open, certain the car meets my needs as is, and pretty sure the battery will retain enough range for enough time to make the purchase worthwhile. I understand that quick-charging and lead-foot driving can permanently erode battery capacity, and that both the cabin heater and going 65mph down the freeway will shorten range in real time. I get that, I've worked out how we're going to use the vehicle, and I think it's going to work quite well for us. But customers deprived of the opportunity to make an informed decision could well give Mitsubishi (and unfortunately EVs in general) a serious black eye