Don
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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:28 pm

ALL cars come with a 120/240 charger built into the car which will charge at either Level 1 or Level 2 - No adapters or options necessary . . . . it's already in the car, you just need the EVSE of your choice to charge the car which you can buy from various aftermarket sources . . . . or you can even build your own

The bigger door on the opposite side of the car is for the quick charge outlet - Any car *could* come with the quick charge port as well. It appears every car shipped to Canada does come so equipped. In the USA, it's either a $700 option on the base ES model, or it's standard equipment on the fully decked out SE Premium package with the Nav, BlueTooth and the back-up camera and those are the only 2 ways we get it - You cannot add it to a standard SE package and you cannot delete it from the Premium package

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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:16 am

tonymil wrote:I'm confused, my dealer told me the MiEV can be equipped either with the quick charge or the level II but not both. Do you have both?


Well, that's a load of horse pucky! :lol:

Yes, all Canadian cars have both the Level I/II and the Level III/CHaDemO adapters. The I/II are on the right side of the car and the Level III is on the left side of the car. Maybe he's confused about something he half heard in a dealer demo seminar about the car. You can't charge the car using both ports, the Level III takes precidence and cancels the Level I/II charging if an operator tried it.

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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:58 am

Different item on the wish list - bigger Windshield Washer resevoir. I just ran out of fluid this morning and know that I don't use it that often during the summer and its been hot and dry here this year, not much to use it all.

I opened the hood and saw this tiny plastic resevoir about the size of a small milk carton. I'll have to figure out how to put a bigger resevoir in there. Winters here are brutal and downright dangerous without ample supply of windshield washer fluid onboard.

Like Dylan...I went electric.

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  • Mileage on June 29th, 2014 - 51,286 km / 32,616 miles

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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:01 pm

MLucas wrote:Well, that's a load of horse pucky! :lol:
Yes, all Canadian cars have both the Level I/II and the Level III/CHaDemO adapters.


Well, it is possible I misunderstood him; also possible that he misspoke. But why would Mitsu stress that you can't simultaneously charge ChaDemO and Level II? Would anyone really try to do that? Strange.

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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:27 pm

Don wrote:Fast charging could (and should) be designed so as to be a 30 minute installation at the dealership - Much better than sticking it in every car and charging $700 for something many will never use. By the time fast EV charging shows up in most neighborhoods, CHAdeMO may not be the industry standard any longer . . . . think BetaMax. Found a replacement player to watch your old Beta movies anywhere lately? Glad you paid $1K to buy your original machine? Having any luck with your eBay sale of the dusty pile of Beta movies you found in the attic?

Part of what's wrong with the way this car is marketed by sales people (IMO) is that some are attempting to sell it as a replacement for an ordinary car to an uneducated populace. If your best sales tactic is to lie to them that it only takes 25 minutes to charge, you're setting yourself up to have a TON of unhappy customers in the very near future


Wow Don, you really must have it in for Beta! ;)

From what I've read about the fast charge, dealer install is not an option, since it's only practical to do all the heavy duty wiring, etc., during manufacture. To make it dealer installable, you'd either need to put so much of the prep (hence expense) into every car it would defeat the purpose of making it a dealer option, or the dealer would have to partially disassemble and rebuild the car, a process so expensive it would, ah, defeat the purpose, again. Given present-day constraints, the car's charging system is set up for DC fast charging or not; I'm betting the external interface matters less than all the internals, so I'm inclined to think of buying CHAdeMO today as a way of keeping my options open in the future.

I completely agree about the bad behavior of salesmen. They need to understand that the disclosure documents that Mitsubishi provides for review by serious buyers needs to be part of the customer qualification process, not a surprise to be sprung as papers are being signed (my experience, though I already knew most of what was in there). The disclosures are for the protection of all concerned, and less-informed buyers who vaguely like the idea of an EV need to be presented with the realities of the trade-offs inherent in current technology. I think Mitsubishi gets right up to the line of "truthiness" in the marketing messages at their web site to start with, and if the dealers play fast and loose as well, the results could be bad.

I went in with my eyes wide open, certain the car meets my needs as is, and pretty sure the battery will retain enough range for enough time to make the purchase worthwhile. I understand that quick-charging and lead-foot driving can permanently erode battery capacity, and that both the cabin heater and going 65mph down the freeway will shorten range in real time. I get that, I've worked out how we're going to use the vehicle, and I think it's going to work quite well for us. But customers deprived of the opportunity to make an informed decision could well give Mitsubishi (and unfortunately EVs in general) a serious black eye
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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:16 am

tonymil wrote:Well, it is possible I misunderstood him; also possible that he misspoke. But why would Mitsu stress that you can't simultaneously charge ChaDemO and Level II? Would anyone really try to do that? Strange.


I hope you don't take it that I was trying to make fun of you. I was poking fun at the dealer for not knowing their cars better. Which isn't surprising, since I have found over the years of buying cars that most dealers and salespeople don't know much about the cars they sell. I'm usually more informed about the product than they are.

As far as trying to use both charge ports - I'm a software engineer and I see the strange behaviors of my clients everyday. That is why debugging software is so difficult, we can easily catch many of the items but our clients will try stuff we never ever imagined. If Mitsubishi didn't come up with this item in their risk analysis, it could be quite catastrophic!

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  • Mileage on June 29th, 2014 - 51,286 km / 32,616 miles

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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:21 pm

Yes, my brother's i MiEV has Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 charging.
Sincerely, Neil

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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:21 pm

here official Mitsubishi iMiEV 2013 improvements:

The changes are as follows:
- A new, lighter and more efficient electric motor delivers 196 Nm (up from 180 Nm)
- The range is increased by 10 km (EU test standard) from 150 km to 160 km
- LED front light, requires less energy, stronger, whiter light
- El. seat heating elements in both front seats now in the seat back (not just seat cushions), provides higher comfort

source:

https://www.facebook.com/Mitsubish.iMiEV.Norge
(this is Norway site - I translated info to english using google translator)

this is for european version but I think same will be to US model


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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:58 am

evcar wrote:here official Mitsubishi iMiEV 2013 improvements:

That's very good news because it indicates that Mitsubishi hasn't stopped updating the i-MiEV. These new features are also included in a press release on the official Mitsubishi Norway Website (Google Translate is your friend). The press release also mentions additional regeneration capabilities ("B" driving mode?) and the ability to heat the interior while charging. These 2 features sound similar to those already on the 2012 North American version, so let's hope that the remaining new features will be offered on the North American version soon.

I have just returned from 12 days in Norway visiting towns along the coast from Bergen in the south to Kirkenes near the Russian border in the arctic north. I saw i-MiEV's (or maybe their Citroen or Peugeot cousins) in many of these towns. This isn't surprising because Norwegian i-MiEV sales have been double the U.S. sales despite Norway's population being only 1.5% of the U.S. population. So let's hope that the relative success of the i-MiEV in some non-North American markets will encourage Mitsubishi to continue i-MiEV development which will lead to improvements in the North American version.
Aloha,
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Re: 2013 Mitsubishi I Suggestions

Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:32 am

I hope they can make big improvements in the defroster as well. And they should offer smooth and flat wheel covers, and the entire underside should be smooth. The taillight lens and the bottom edge of the rear bumper can be modified to form the beginning of a Kamm back to lower the aero drag.
Sincerely, Neil

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