JoeS
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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:11 am

Well, I finally received all the statements for the charging that I used on this trip. For the exactly 200-mile one-way distance, not counting starting the trip fully charged from each home, I paid $21.24 going and $23.57 coming, for a total round-trip energy cost of $44.81. This included NRGeVgo's FLEX plan (no monthly fee, $4.95/session plus $0.20/minute DCQC, or $1.50/hr L2), BLINK's plan of $0.49/kWh, an unknown outfit that charged $1.00 for a DCQC session in Benicia, and free DCQC charging in Davis.

The BLINK network charges by the number of kWhr consumed, which at $0.49/kWhr I consider a fair price. On the other hand, NRGeVgo has a number of plans, none of them cheap, and they provide no data on energy consumed. https://www.nrgevgo.com/san-francisco-bay-area/

My wife drove our Gen1 Honda Insight (77mpg) on the same round trip. Even if gasoline had been at $4.00/gallon, that 400-mile round trip would have cost $20.78.

Would I do it again? Let's see…

It took eleven hours (going) and nine hours (coming) in the EV (could have been reduced to about 7 hours) instead of 3-1/2 hours in the hybrid
It cost $44.81 for the EV instead of under-$20 for the hybrid
The eating-out cost was higher because of the longer trip

It was a fun experiment, but with the sparse availability of CHAdeMO outside our SF Bay Area and the high DCQC 'fuel' cost I think I'll simply consider our new used CHAdeMO-equipped i-MiEV as our intermediate-distance vehicle which we now take when driving outside our home-charging range.

If our lifestyle entailed lots of long road trips, I'd get a Tesla :mrgreen:
EVs: 2 Wht/Blu SE Prem., '13 Tesla MS85, 3 156v CorbinSparrows (2 Li-ion), 24v EcoScoot(LiFePO4)
EV Conv: 156v '86 Ram PU, 144v '65 Saab 96
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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:33 pm

An Insight getting 77 MPG is tough to beat, but the quick charging seems quite expensive to me. The closest QC to me is free (as is nearly all public level 2 except for parking), and the next closest quick chargers are $1 per 5 minutes, equaling out to be $4-5 for an 80% charge. At $0.49/kWh, an 80% charge would be around $6.40, which I agree isn't a bad price. You get north of $9-10 for a charge, and that's getting too expensive.
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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:02 pm

That 77.0mpg (down from 77.7mpg a couple of years ago) was that Gen1 Insight's LIFETIME mileage when it was totaled last June with 94520 miles on the odometer. The second Insight has not been hypermiled for most of its life (its lifetime is only 71.3mpg), but each trip we now take we try to get over 80mpg to slowly bring up the average, although I'm now a lot more wary of slower speeds (e.g., 60mph) on the Interstate unless I'm following a truck.

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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:19 pm

Yup, I cancelled my $20/month AeroVironment subscription, and now just borrow a friend's keyfob for the rare trip outside of the Seattle-Tacoma metro area rather than paying their $7.50/session price, which is about $0.166/mile for i-drivers! Also, the convenience factor means that my next road trip will use the pusher trailer. With gas at $1.20 and a minimum pusher mpg of 20, I'm below $0.06 per mile fuel cost. Plus, at the rate my pusher attracts cameras on the highway, it's just a matter of time before MR BEAN is the next ecomodder celebrity on Redditt.... :o

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.p ... 31144.html
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2016 KIA SOUL EV, 90 kW, 27 kWh, 34k miles
2000 Mazda Miata EV, 78 kW, 17 kWh
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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:07 am

JoeS wrote:Would I do it again? Let's see…

It took eleven hours (going) and nine hours (coming) in the EV (could have been reduced to about 7 hours) instead of 3-1/2 hours in the hybrid
It cost $44.81 for the EV instead of under-$20 for the hybrid
The eating-out cost was higher because of the longer trip

It was a fun experiment, but with the sparse availability of CHAdeMO outside our SF Bay Area and the high DCQC 'fuel' cost I think I'll simply consider our new used CHAdeMO-equipped i-MiEV as our intermediate-distance vehicle which we now take when driving outside our home-charging range.

If our lifestyle entailed lots of long road trips, I'd get a Tesla :mrgreen:


Thank is really helpful information Joe. Mileage wise, how do you define an intermediate-distance trip? Apart from that, I am right now trying to plan a 114 mile trip from Kalamazoo to Canton Michigan using side roads parallel to the interstate and driving under 45 mph av, for when my i-miev arrives. I am on pins and needles waiting to hear from the dealership on when they are shipping my car!! In Michigan there are only two DCQC. One of them is near the end of my route.

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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:11 pm

BenBrown wrote:Mileage wise, how do you define an intermediate-distance trip?
Basically, any round trip outside a 30-35 mile road radius from home - recognizing that it is usually not practicable to avoid the Interstate around here. Also, I think I'm seeing some battery degradation, especially in my new used i-MiEV. In your case, you need to factor in low temperatures as well.
BenBrown wrote:Apart from that, I am right now trying to plan a 114 mile trip from Kalamazoo to Canton Michigan using side roads parallel to the interstate and driving under 45 mph av. In Michigan there are only two DCQC. One of them is near the end of my route.
Using the side roads you described it would probably be best to leave yourself a little bit of a cushion and plan on not going over 60 miles before recharging (having left home fully fully charged). If you're not an experienced hypermiler or if the road conditions are wet or you have a headwind, you might first shoot for someplace to stop around 45 miles from home. Without intermediate DCQC, it will be a long daytrip for you - and you will welcome that DCQC near the end of your trip! Be sure to have backup plans in case a Plugshare-listed charging spot is down (friends with garages and dryer outlets along the way are well worth taking out for a lunch while the car charges!). Oh, and be sure to check your tire pressures and maybe pump them up a bit over spec.
BenBrown wrote:I am on pins and needles waiting to hear from the dealership on when they are shipping my car!!
All the best to you - we all understand your excitement.
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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:31 pm

***??? Dryer outlets... do I need a conversion plug? Where do I get one??? I'm guessing it will go faster than my 110v plug at home... yes? (if there is already info about that, feel free to direct me...)

With the car shared Leaf, and really slow acceleration up to speed (45mph in November) I was shocked to get 100+ miles total on a single charge without getting a warning of potential low charge. ...but I used the cruise control once up to speed. I was also parallel-ing the interstate highway.

I've been reading here about hypermiling... Without cruise control, I'm hoping I can discipline myself to freeze my foot on the pedal going up hill and not automatically speed up if I see a car barreling up behind me. (55 mph is the default speed on side roads outside of the villages - though some cars do 70!)

It's been a week since I signed my next few years away for "Gregory the Great" (aka Gregg or Greggor). After not hearing back from the dealer, I called to find out Gregg is in transit as of 4 hours before my call. Yipes!! I need to jump to get a ChargePoint card... maybe I can at least used my cc number for the present..

Gregg, likely won't arrive before I have to go on rotation at hospice on Thursday... That being the case I should have about 10 days before I can make the trip to Canton. If nothing else I will have time to start understanding and connecting in real time all of the incredible stuff on this forum.

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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:07 pm

BenBrown wrote:***??? Dryer outlets... do I need a conversion plug? Where do I get one??? I'm guessing it will go faster than my 110v plug at home... yes? (if there is already info about that, feel free to direct me...)
You might read through the EVSE (Charging Stations) subforum http://myimiev.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=24 and pick a thread to continue your charging options (both at home and on the road) discussion.
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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:06 am

Hi ben


Here is a link to great posting by JoeS showing a photo with an assortment of adapters.

http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1497&start=10

You will need to upgrade your EVSE or get a 110/240v portable EVSEand a heavey gauge extension cord.
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Re: My Christmas Day DCQC Trip

Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:12 pm

Thanks sandange and JoeS..

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