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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:36 am

Another point to remember is that, unlike factory installed unit that have tight integration with their cars, OVMS on an imbed cannot control the car were it hacked. Cannot be unlocked, started, stopped or have it's internals mucked with.

I don't care if someone knows the car's location or charge state.

My thoughts may change if OVMS gains the command and control of factory units, but I don't see that happening soon.
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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:21 am

I agree about the control portion. Even if the option is enabled by a hacker, OVMS doesn't contain the necessary code to control anything on the car. I think even if it tried to control the car, the most it could do is cause the car to reboot. Now if we drove Tesla Roadsters, however, they could unlock the car, run the battery down, prevent charging, and activate Valet Mode.

Not all hacks are weak passwords. Some are as simple as a bogus email phishing where even very strong passwords are useless if the recipient isn't careful (iCloud intrusion), others are more complex like Heartbleed. Brute force attacks, 0-day attacks, exploits, and such won't be stopped by a password. Most of these are weaknesses in the coding of the software itself.

Also, who's to say that 100% of the support crew for internet servers are totally honest? Hacks aren't always an outsider.

I'm just concerned on location data with OVMS. I know with Google that they track and store the locations of Google Account-connected devices, and users have the option to turn that off, but is that Off button a true off, or does it just make that data invisible to the user? Google makes their money from advertising, especially targeted ads, so they do quite a bit of profiling their users to "ensure you only see ads that are interesting to you." Google isn't the only one, but they're the only company so far that I've read through their privacy policy. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple and others have similar verbiage in their policies. GPS activates when Siri is triggered, and that location and voice data is sent to Apple.
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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:46 am

Anybody else getting an error when opening the OVMS app? It seems like the server is down, but the IP address the module points to takes me to the TMC site (as it has in the past even when the module and app work fine).

I can still check the car via SMS.
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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:41 am

Nevermind. Must have been a temporary issue with the server. It's working now.
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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:10 pm

Just set up an OVMS V2 unit in our recently purchased 2012 MIEV, and wanted to leave a couple of notes which hopefully others thinking about this product will find helpful.

I purchased the unit, GPS/GSM antennae, OBD cable (the "Left" version, part 1139300 brought the cable toward the center console four our US model MIEV) and PICKIT 2 programming unit from Fasttech, and it arrived in about 10 days to the east coast of the US. Flashed the unit with the MIEV experimental firmware version 2.8.1/MI/V2. The PICKIT software I downloaded from the webpage would not communicate with the unit on my Windows 8 laptop (Dell XPS 13), but worked fine on my Windows 7 Desktop PC (an older Sandy Bridge CPU/MB home build).

I used an H2O wireless SIM card that I purchased locally from BestBuy for $4, activated it online, and set it up on the $10 pay as you go plan which is good for 90 days or 100mb, whichever comes first. The $10 every 90 days seems to be the cheapest plan out there. I wish I could use the 200mb/month "Free Data For Life" offer for tablets from T-Mobile, but I guess even if you could get them to activate it, you wouldn't get SMS ability for setup etc. I tested the H2O SIM in a Windows Mobile phone, but with the online activation process, that shouldn't be necessary. To configure the GPRS APN for H2O service, just send the command "GPRS Prodata". After that I started the car with the key, and send a "RESET" command, and since then it has been working well.

Very nice to be able to see the charging status, and I like that public charging locations appear on the map. I'll be curious to look into having the notification texts trigger my home automation system to control charging times based on percentage when at the house.

Thank you to the developers and users who have put in the work to make this solution available, and I'll be curious to see what if any features intrepid drivers come up with!

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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:25 pm

Congrats.

I use an older Inspiron E1505 with Windows XP for the PICKit. I've only needed it two or three times, but definitely a necessary tool.

Do you know which carrier H20 uses for their network? I have PTel, which uses T-Mobile's network, but I don't have that great of coverage. It looks like you're paying about half of what I am.
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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:37 pm

PV1 wrote:Congrats.
Do you know which carrier H20 uses for their network? I have PTel, which uses T-Mobile's network, but I don't have that great of coverage. It looks like you're paying about half of what I am.


H2O uses the AT&T network. The coverage has been very good in my experience (it's been my go-to plan for family members new to smart phones for the last year or two). Also, I learned that in order to set up the account online for refills etc, you have to receive a text with a temporary password. So contrary to what I said in my last post, it seems you DO have to put the SIM card in a phone at least once in order to add the number to your online account. So it seems I'll be digging that SIM out of the OVMS unit sometime in the next 90 days...

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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:16 am

I just ordered an OVMS2 for my i this weekend, hopefully shipping to NL doesn't take too long and the import tarifs are not too heavy. Really looking forward to some remote monitoring.

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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:24 pm

Just got the OVMS in today and got it going. I ran into the same "not charging, 0% SOC" message too, it appears the i goes into sleep if you leave it for a while. After 8 hours on the parking lot at work it was asleep solid. After switching the ignition on it sprang to life seen via STAT?

I'm using KPN here in the Netherlands, but will be swapping out for either a 5 euro a month subscription or a prepaid, it seems the preaid route is by far the cheapest at this point.

I've yet to mount the OVMS somewhere into the cockpit, it's leaning against the left triangle window now. I'm currently running 2.8.1.

Really hoping the OVMS website will give something of a energy consumption graph so I can track things like lifetime energy use. A trip logger if you will, energy used, km travelled and a date and time.

Stick that into a graph that looks like my PVoutput from my solar array and I'd have a nice graph :)
http://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=12 ... =10380&t=m

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Re: OVMS for Mitsubishi i-Miev, Citroen C-Zero and Peugeot i

Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:23 pm

OVMS is supposed to maintain the last known stats after the car is shut off. These values will clear if the module loses power or is rebooted, and won't update until the car is started or plugged in.

As far as energy graphs, OVMS isn't the app for that, at least not yet. What others have done is:

1. Measure usage at the wall with a meter such as the Kill a Watt or EKM Metering units.
2. Using the Android app CaniOn to log realtime data while driving and charging (not an automated setup, but works great and shows a lot of detail).

Since OVMS has access to the line voltage and amperage, it wouldn't be that difficult to add kWh metering functionality. It won't, however, measure input from the CHAdeMO port, though it does recognize that it is quick charging.
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