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Re: my 2013 Peugeot iOn will not charge :(

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:47 am

misterbleepy wrote:
DBMandrake wrote:Have you got more details about this warranty extension ?

Onboard charger only or the whole HV system and/or battery ?

US i-Miev only or i-Miev world wide ? Ion and C-Zero as well ?


My guess is US Mitsubishi’s only at the moment.


I suspect you're correct - US and Canada only. The letters are from MMNA - Mitsubishi Motors North America

But, now that they've admitted this is a universal problem, I would hope they'd be willing to do the same thing for owners worldwide. I'd be asking them about it for sure if you've had a failure

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Re: On-Board Charger (OBC) Warranty Extended!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:48 am

DBMandrake wrote:... or was 2012 the first year the i-Miev was sold in the US ?

Yeah it was.

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Re: On-Board Charger (OBC) Warranty Extended!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:36 am

I received two of these, one for each car -

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Re: On-Board Charger (OBC) Warranty Extended!

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:13 pm

I called the hotline, which confirmed they will not swap a new charger for my obviously failed one if it is not inside the car and throwing the code. :roll: So, it looks like I'll be reinstalling the failed charger to go thru the exercise of getting a new (and hopefully longer-lasting) OBC...
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Re: [POLL] On-Board Charger and DC/DC Converter

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:27 pm

Lithim wrote:This may be of interest to people on this string:

As the owner of a 2012 IMIEV I recently received a letter from Mitsubishi.

...... " due to potential low durability of the capacitors on the circuit boards in the On-Board-Charger (OBC), the capacitors may short and cause the high voltage fuse in the Motor Control Units MCU) to blow. As a result, the drive battery may not be charged by regular charging and the 12V battery may not be charged. When this occurs, the power unit and 12V battery warning lights will turn on."

Mitsubishi is extending the warranty for the OBC to 10 years / unlimited miles.

TSB-19-54-016

Letter dated September 2019.

Mitsubishi Customer Relations; 1-888-648-7820 M-F 7AM.-4PM. PT

Stay charged my friend


That is sort of interesting, but I don't understand what 'potential low durability' means - they are either low durability or they are not - unless Mitsubishi don't have a handle on their third party supplier quality control in the way Toyota, for example do... That particular issue has brought down several companies I can think of, but notably Motorola with their cell phones.

I interpret this as meaning that due to a cars age, there may be age related degradation, meaning that those capacitors were not perhaps as good in the real world than as tested. Ive had a few Samsung TVs go with capacitors on the PSU - those were not durable either. It sort of also makes the case for topping up the battery, rather than fully charging, when those capacitors are given their longest workout.... but I don't do that.
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Re: On-Board Charger (OBC) Warranty Extended!

Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:38 am

ten days and it's done!

The dealer called and said it was ready, so i just got my car back with the newer style OBC (9481A171, serial # 00007) . It does not have the little external AC filter box on top. Date code is 2018.05.17
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No cost to me.
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The biggest delay they said was waiting for the fuse, so they must have shipped a bunch of OBCs over before the letter went out.

Be sure to ask if you can have the old unit--we will need them for repair parts for those who don't get the extra warranty.
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Re: [POLL] On-Board Charger and DC/DC Converter

Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:01 pm

phb10186 wrote:That is sort of interesting, but I don't understand what 'potential low durability' means - they are either low durability or they are not

Some of them may last for 250,000 miles and 30 years, so until there is an actual failure, it's 'potential low durability' because a large number of them HAVE failed - 'Large' in this case is probably 5 or 10% . . . . so far. The ones that last forever are NOT 'low durability' . . . . are they?

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Re: On-Board Charger (OBC) Warranty Extended!

Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:11 am

wonder if my 2014 iMiev is covered, haven't received the letter yet.

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Re: On-Board Charger (OBC) Warranty Extended!

Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:41 pm

pbui19 wrote:wonder if my 2014 iMiev is covered.

No idea.

But if there IS a cutoff date, that might tell us that they (think they) have fixed the problem at a certain point.

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Re: On-Board Charger (OBC) Warranty Extended!

Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:32 am

Hopefully that is the case; but doubtful as Mitsu seemed totally surprised. Wasn't there a poll to tally with year info ? I believe kiev started.

I've been charging DCQC almost exclusive for a year now. But during the recent multi days power shutdown in California due to wind&fire; I used the iMiev DC/DC converter output to run my house a bit and was worried about the OBC. I did make sure to leave the rear hatch open and the OBC was never about 72F

Are those bad capacitors part of the DC/DC or also part of the charging system ?

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