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Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:25 pm

I bought one of these to use with our new Chevy Volt and I'm pretty impressed with it, so thought I'd share it with the group in case anyone is looking for a good L2 EVSE with adjustable current settings

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-EV-Ch ... eV&vxp=mtr

It looks to be a pretty high quality unit. The J-1772 Charge handle is a Duosida part and is actually as good or better than our OEM units - Very impressive, as most of the time (in my observation anyway) low priced units usually have a 'junk' charge handle. The cord is 20 feet long

The front of the unit has LED's to indicate 6, 8, 10 and 12 amps of charge current. There is a switch to select whatever current you like and it's in one amp increments. If the 6 amp LED is lit, that's 6 amps of charge (of course) but if the LED is blinking, it's 7 amps. Same for 8 (and 9 if it's blinking), 10 or 12. If the 6 and 8 lamps are lit, that's 14, and 15 if they are blinking. 6 and 10 lit is 16 amps

My only negative would be the 6-20 plug it came with - A poor choice for a 240 volt accessory, IMO. I cut that off and replaced it with an L6-20 Twist Lock connector. It's listed for 240 volts only - I didn't open it up to see if the power supply in it will allow you to use it on L1 - But 6 amps of L2 is the same as 12 amps of L1, so why would we need to use 120 volts anyway? They do sell a nearly identical unit rated for L1 only - Don't know if it will do L2 or not

https://www.ebay.com/itm/J1772-Level-2- ... Fn&vxp=mtr

Note that it does say Level 2 . . . . but also says 120 volts and it has a NEMA 5-15 plug

Overall, I recommend it and doubt you'll find anything comparable for the price. Shipping time from China was right at 2 weeks and their tracking number actually worked all the way to my door. Communication with the seller was better than any Chinese vendor I've ever dealt with. All in all, a good experience

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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:25 am

I've been tempted to buy one of these but I am so wary of their quality and certifications.

ie. if something happens and it damages the car or burns the garage down, Mitsubishi or insurance will push back since it's not certified or something.
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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:24 pm

Their quality looks pretty good to me - Better than some I've seen that came with new cars

An EVSE is nothing more than a computer controlled relay - 240 volts in, 240 volts out. It's a fancy ON/OFF switch that only turns on when the car tells it to. The controls run on 5 volts DC. I just don't see any way an EVSE could damage your car, much less burn your garage down

For the past 5 years, our primary L2 EVSE is one I home built from scratch (Open EVSE) mounted in a clear plastic Pelican case . . . . so you can see all the insides 8-)

If you're truly worried, best to stay with something that's UL certified I suppose. Maybe I should find me a UL sticker to put on the one I built :lol:

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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:48 pm

Thanks Don, it's more of a "you get what you pay for" and "if the price seems too good to be true it probably is" type concern :D

But your positive experiences help.

This is still cheaper than buying a new one and getting 50% off government rebate, I need to shop around. Still need to find out how much it would be to install a 240V outlet in the garage. My panel is in the basement so they'd have to run the wire through the walls.

I've gotten by on the 110V 8A charger but getting 12A would be better as the preheating/precooling is so weak and I can't charge to full overnight if necessary.
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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:38 pm

ChrisEV wrote:Still need to find out how much it would be to install a 240V outlet in the garage. My panel is in the basement so they'd have to run the wire through the walls.
Some houses have an outlet (or two) in the garage which are on their own dedicated breaker in the power panel. If you're that lucky, it would be a fairly simple matter to convert that outlet from 120 to 240 volts. If you had two outlets on that breaker, you would either need to convert them both, or disable the one you wouldn't need for charging. Easy enough to change it back when you move

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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:29 pm

Don wrote:
ChrisEV wrote:Still need to find out how much it would be to install a 240V outlet in the garage. My panel is in the basement so they'd have to run the wire through the walls.
Some houses have an outlet (or two) in the garage which are on their own dedicated breaker in the power panel. If you're that lucky, it would be a fairly simple matter to convert that outlet from 120 to 240 volts. If you had two outlets on that breaker, you would either need to convert them both, or disable the one you wouldn't need for charging. Easy enough to change it back when you move

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I've got one outlet in the garage, not sure if the light in the garage is on the same circuit or not.

Wouldn't the wiring need to be changed anyway to support the 240V circuit?
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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:45 pm

*Most* outlets in homes built in the past 30 or 40 years are wired with 12/3 wire, which is rated for 20 amps at either 120 or 240 volts. You usually derate that by 20%, so 12/3 will support a constant 16 amps. Your iMiEV needs a maximum of about 13 amps when charging L2. There is no difference between the wire used for 120 and 240 volt circuits - The wire gauge is determined by the current you need and the breaker ampacity. 12 gauge wire, 20 amp breakers, 10 gauge wire, 30 amp breakers

*Usually* outlets and lights are on different breakers. It's pretty common to use 14 gauge wire for lighting, since the amp draw for lights is much lower than for outlets. 14 gauge wire would use 15 amp breakers

Many of the better 12/3 120 volt extension cords are made using cable rated for 300 volts

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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:52 pm

My entire garage is one circuit, 15 amp breaker. It’s one outlet and a light switch combined. I’m not sure if it’s possible at this point, at least I’d lose the light in the garage?

I’ll have to pull the outlet out to check the type of wiring if it’s 12 or 14 gauge.
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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:50 am

Since it's a 15 amp breaker, you'll probably find you have 14 gauge wire, which isn't really a problem because the car only needs 13 amps @ 240 volts to charge. If that single outlet and your garage light are the only things on that breaker, you could replace your 120 volt bulb with a 240 volt bulb and everything would work fine. Keep the bulb at 100 watts or less and you should be OK

If you do find 12 gauge wire on the outlet (and on the breaker in the panel) you could replace the 15 amp breaker with a 20 if you wanted to . . . .

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Re: Pretty Good Level 2 EVSE for Less Than $200

Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:11 am

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