That is totally irrelevant, as conventional plants have to compensate irregular fluctuations of the wind turbines and solar panels. Otherwise their actual output would be very close to the nominal output.PV1 said:What is the actual output vs. nameplate for conventional power plants?
Very bold statement!PV1 said:Solar production naturally follows the majority of the peak demand curve.
Kuuuurija said:European statistics show that solar power production is extremely ineffective.
Phximiev said:I have always wondered why homes and business in the US don't typically have storage batteries. I would think that the rate difference between peak day and off-peak night would justifiy the difference in most regions.
Phximiev said:I have always wondered why homes and business in the US don't typically have storage batteries. I would think that the rate difference between peak day and off-peak night would justifiy the difference in most regions.
Costs per kWh produced.Aerowhatt said:Ineffective at what?
Over the next 23 years (25 years from install date), my solar panels, without any incentives, are cheaper than grid power. Instead of $150+ a month for dirty coal power, I'm making my own solar power for the up front cost of $130 a month. But, factoring in the rebates we got, we're getting 100% net solar power for $70 a month over the 25 year warranty on the solar panels. Our price per kWh is 7 cents, but by the time fees, charges, and tax is added, it's more like 12 cents/kWh.Kuuuurija said:Costs per kWh produced.Aerowhatt said:Ineffective at what?
Lucky you! Must be some exceptionally favourable conditions at your place!PV1 said:Over the next 23 years (25 years from install date), my solar panels, without any incentives, are cheaper than grid power.
Kuuuurija said:Lucky you! Must be some exceptionally favourable conditions at your place!PV1 said:Over the next 23 years (25 years from install date), my solar panels, without any incentives, are cheaper than grid power.
But in large scale, as an average for Europe, the solar power is 14 times costlier than coal power.
Kuuuurija said:I did calculation based on my real power bill once: http://www.fotothing.com/photos/92d/92ddd8b9c75ce32cc88e28516740f017_5c6.jpg
Row 4 there is renewable (mostly wind energy), row 5 oil shale energy tariff. Renewable energy was more than 11 times costlier on the real bill. For me solar 14 times costlier than coal sounds about right.
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