tonymil
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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:09 am

Well, Tesla has finally posted the data from the NY Times/John Broder "test drive" and I have to say it's pretty damning evidence against Broder. At one point he actually tried to kill the battery by driving in circles around a parking lot when he was supposed to be charging the car. What a malicious bastard.

Here's the article from Tesla.

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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:59 am

It is a very good response with the facts clearly spelled out. John Broder didn't think that a technical marvel like the S would track his every move to his own detriment. This clearly shows that he is a fraud and simply working against progress towards a greener future.

I listened to a CBC (Canadian Broadcast) radio show last night about Tim Horton's putting in a charge station in Oakville. A pundit was interviewed who clearly had no idea how EVs work and what purpose a charging station would serve. Obviously, he had not heard about 'opportunity charging', yet he spent the 30 seconds of the interview explaining how EVs are too expensive, don't recoupe the cost of gasoline for the purchase price and don't have the range. Same crap we have heard over and over again.

This is the backlash that I new was forthcoming and is growing and growing.

Like Dylan...I went electric.

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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:31 am

Tesla has posted the data proving the NYT review was bogus:

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive#comment-137617
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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:37 am

Tesla S Success! CNNMoney writers took the Tesla S on the same D.C. to Boston trip that Broder from the NY Times took it on and it passed without any problems. The article is here.

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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:42 am

This reporter drove from Washington DC to Boston MA in a Model S with no problems.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s/

http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46643
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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:37 pm

Another point that needs to be made: cold reduces the range of internal combustion cars, too. Quite a bit on shorter trips, in fact. I know my mileage drops by about 20% in the winter vs the summer. Some of that decrease is due to increased aero drag (colder air is denser) and this obviously affects any car, but a lot of it is due to slower warm up time. And if I plug in a block heater, my warm up time would be shortened by enough to save me 5-8% on my mileage.

At 6F (which it apparently was on the night Mr. Broder stayed in the hotel) and say a 4 year old battery or if he left the dome light on or if there was a little water in the tank - what guarantee would Mr. Broder have that the engine would even start; let alone be able to go as far as it would have on the ~1/4 tank of gas?

Neil
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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:34 am

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/problems-with-precision-and-judgment-but-not-integrity-in-tesla-test/

Well, they seem to have taken the squishy route... If Mr. Broder was "imprecise" then he should admit that he made several mistakes, and make a written retraction and apology.

If he headlined his article and included an embarrassing picture of the Model S on a flatbed - that was actually caused by him and not any deficiencies in the car, then his article is worse than "imprecise", in my opinion.

Reporters should report on facts. How does Ms. Sullivan justify that it matters that Mr. Broder was "unaware that his every move was being monitored"? Is she saying that he would have tried to be more precise if he had only known that Tesla had the hard numbers? What does that say about Mr. Broder's "journalism" let alone his integrity?

Ms. Sullivan than goes on to make an unsubstantiated accusation of Mr. Musk that somehow the numbers are "quite misleading"? How so, Ms. Sullivan?
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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:38 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:Ms. Sullivan than goes on to make an unsubstantiated accusation of Mr. Musk that somehow the numbers are "quite misleading"? How so, Ms. Sullivan?


I agree Neil, her response says a lot of nothing. I still believe Broder had it in for the Model S and I believe the NY Times was ok with that. The alternative to this being an intentional trashing is that it was utter incompetence by both Broder and the Times.

I think between Elon Musks response and all the data he posted; the sucessful recreation of the trip by CNN; the successful recreation of the trip by a number of Tesla owners; and this tepid criticism of Broder by the NY Times, Tesla has come out of this pretty well. And hopefully more people are taking electric cars seriously than there were before.

Here are a couple of links about the Tesla owners' road trip:

https://twitter.com/TeslaRoadTrip/

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/02/18/tesla-model-s-road-trip-drivers-have-no-problem-video/

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Re: Even the Tesla Model S....

Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:26 am

I call shenanigans on the bogus Tesla cold weather test drive failure.

I regularly drive my Miev to Biggers Chevrolet in Elgin in 20 degree weather for service.

On the way I recharge at McHenry College near Woodstock, IL.

No problem whatsoever.

The guy said this in the article. "“It takes more planning than a typical gasoline car, no way around it.

Well duh....if he wasn't familiar with driving an electric car he shouldn't have done it.

Planning is everything. ....and I am no fan of Tesla.

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