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Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:34 pm

Perhaps we can continue the plug/charging discussion here.

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:37 pm

So much of the internet is abuzz with Tesla 3 articles. This one has a curiously downbeat title but, in fact, isn't the Tesla slam you would expect it to be . . .

http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2016/04/sorry_tesla_model_3_wont_save.html

Rather, it's an a fair evaluation of how much carbon emissions the entire (almost all currently fossil fuel based) light duty transportation sector is putting into the air and how large that sector is (88.5 million vehicles sold in 2015, although it's unclear if that number also includes already manufactured used vehicles being resold, mixed in with newly manufactured one.) It's also a fairy good and realistically stated argument for electric cars . . . lots of them.

If there is anything contained within that is a slight to Tesla, it's that they're not going to be capable to do it all on their own and that all players in the automotive sector are going to have to give us electric cars to choose from. The hope is expressed that the Model 3 will represent a tipping point to influence all these other manufacturers to move in the right direction. But the slightly less than 300 thousand Model 3s that have been reserved with deposits and won't be here for at least a few more years? That's still pretty much a ripple in the pond, even if it's an important ripple.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:58 am

Benjamin Nead wrote:If there is anything contained within that is a slight to Tesla, it's that they're not going to be capable to do it all on their own

But isn't that what Elon's always said?

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:24 am

That was a surprisingly fair article.

There's no way Tesla is going to do this all alone, but that was never their plan. They want to make everyone else produce EVs. The Model 3 marks the completion of the master plan to get Tesla to the point of being a mainstream car company. The 3 knocks down the final large barriers of having enough range for an affordable price, while also being what I assume to be an awesome car (following in the S footsteps).

Touching on the emissions figures in that article, I'd like to see what the energy mix is for the current EVs. Mainly, how many EV drivers have their own RE system, the grid mix for those that don't, etc. I estimate that 40% of EV drivers own RE equipment and/or live in areas with a high percentage of renewable energy powering the grid.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:45 am

PV1 wrote:...I'd like to see what the energy mix is for the current EVs. Mainly, how many EV drivers have their own RE system, the grid mix for those that don't, etc. I estimate that 40% of EV drivers own RE equipment and/or live in areas with a high percentage of renewable energy powering the grid.
I would have thought far more, but, at least in California, you were right on!

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:56 am

Wow. Nice to see some official statistics.

I heard early on (when the LEAF was first released) that 50% of EV drivers had solar panels. I figured that percentage tanked with more mainstream buyers purchasing EVs. Glad to see that my over-estimation wasn't so over.

What's amusing is that there is a Volt driving around with the license plate "PA Coal" :roll: . At least we agreed that it was better than oil when we chatted one day (took the niece and nephew trick or treating for Halloween. I could see the Volt in the garage, but I didn't see the plate at first).
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:07 am

yes, the problem seems unsurmountable but at least Tesla is doing something about it and heading in the right direction. After we test drove the Model S, I suggested to Telsa that they ought to offer a PV+car package combo.

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:43 am

I'm a fan of what Tesla is doing, for the most part. What concerns me is that they've put so much emphasis in recent years on how fast and luxurious their cars are that they've developed a vocal internet fan base who seem to care about little else. There are also some in this coterie who are thoroughly convinced that Tesla is the only company who is going to build suitable modern EVs and that all the other established makers will be out of business within the decade, even if these other companies decide to go full bore into electric car development. If you attempt to point out the fallacies of these observations to these people, they instantly paint you as anti-Tesla. At one blog where I used to regularly post that has a tendency to write articles that go completely overboard on their Tesla adoration, I was called anti-electric-car by one poster when I questioned the excesses of the Model X's luxury accommodations. Rather than submit yet another protracted reply in an attempt to present a nuanced counter view, I chose to stay silent on that one, shake my head in bewilderment and move on.

So, I'm once again glad that Elon opened the Model 3 rollout with a climate change preamble and that he has realistically stated many times that he doesn't want to be the only car company in the electric car biz. That article I linked to above seemed to sum up those sentiments and present the big picture of where we are and how far we have to go.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:58 pm

Anyone else get this email today ?

"Thank you for helping us make history and introduce Model 3 to the world.

In the first 24 hours Model 3 received over 180,000 reservations, setting the record for the highest single-day sales of any product of any kind ever in world history.

More importantly, we took a huge step towards building a better future by accelerating the transition to sustainable transportation.

Like every Tesla, Model 3 is engineered to combine range, performance, utility and designed to be the safest car in its class. It accelerates from zero to 60 mph in less than six seconds, and can travel 215 miles on a single charge. Starting at $35,000, Model 3 comes standard with Autopilot hardware and Supercharging capability. "
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:03 pm

Yep. Got it early this morning. They also said they are re-thinking their production plans to minimize the wait.
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