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Re: Riversimple

Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:46 am

Aberdeen questions and responses.

Will there be a charge to the public for using the hydrogen refueling station? And if so, how much? Aberdeen response: "There will be a charge for the hydrogen. The amount has not yet been determined. No profit will be made. When selling hydrogen, Aberdeen City Council will do so in line with trading standards guidance on sales of gaseous fuel."
 
In addition to the hydrogen buses, how many of the Hyundai and Kangoo hydrogen hybrid vans do you have? Aberdeen response: "We have two HyKangoo vans – electric with fuel cell range extender and 2 hybrid transit vans – which uses a mix of diesel and hydrogen. We also have four Hyundai ix35 FCEVs."

Aberdeen also provided this link: http://www.hytrec.eu/Links/Links.aspx
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Re: Riversimple

Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:32 pm

Phximiev wrote:Riversimple approved for use in South Wales:

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/1 ... outhshire/


You are aware that south whales could fit in a tiny corner of Arizona right - not much more than a playground (hope there are no Welshmen looking at this)?
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Re: Riversimple

Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:35 pm

Phximiev wrote:Aberdeen questions and responses.

Will there be a charge to the public for using the hydrogen refueling station? And if so, how much? Aberdeen response: "There will be a charge for the hydrogen. The amount has not yet been determined. No profit will be made. When selling hydrogen, Aberdeen City Council will do so in line with trading standards guidance on sales of gaseous fuel."
 
In addition to the hydrogen buses, how many of the Hyundai and Kangoo hydrogen hybrid vans do you have? Aberdeen response: "We have two HyKangoo vans – electric with fuel cell range extender and 2 hybrid transit vans – which uses a mix of diesel and hydrogen. We also have four Hyundai ix35 FCEVs."

Aberdeen also provided this link: http://www.hytrec.eu/Links/Links.aspx


If I could take one vehicle to not expend efforts on making a hydrogen variant, it would be the Kangoo van. It's a cheap, horrible iteration of a light commercial vehicle... but I suppose good that they are taking the step.
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Re: Riversimple

Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:51 pm

LOL about the size of Aberdeen, but you could fit a lot of cities there, bury 'em in the dust!

It is a step; hydro-electrification efforts should work out the hydrogen bugs and economics if for no other reason than to provide competition to straight electrics.

Take the cost of the Aberdeen hydro-refueling station and factor it over the 10 or so buses and cars for 5 or 10 years and the initial cost of the station may become irrelevant. Add in the publics use and they may have a viable model.

Its a definite "we'll see" :!:
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Re: Riversimple

Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:37 am

Phximiev wrote:LOL about the size of Aberdeen, but you could fit a lot of cities there, bury 'em in the dust!

It is a step; hydro-electrification efforts should work out the hydrogen bugs and economics if for no other reason than to provide competition to straight electrics.

Take the cost of the Aberdeen hydro-refueling station and factor it over the 10 or so buses and cars for 5 or 10 years and the initial cost of the station may become irrelevant. Add in the publics use and they may have a viable model.

Its a definite "we'll see" :!:


Yeah, absolutely. The US has a much harder time switching to hydrogen and electricity that small countries like the UK for sure. For a start you have:

- A much larger area
- A far more severe climate at both ends, and a far broader range of climactics
- Many areas of low population density
- Far greater distances to travel
- 110 V grid
- Cheaper gas prices by a long way (on the demand-side)

In the UK:

- You are never that far (someone will of course correct me for being an ignorant Londoner) away from help.
- The area is comparatively small (longest drive in the UK is 857 miles, and that's literally very top to bottom left).
- A very temperate climate - never extremely hot or cold.
- Not that much isolation
- 240V grid in place
- High fuel prices that should help people switch.

Only snag is that it hasn't really happened to anything like the same way as Norway, but they are far richer than us on average, so they can afford to do it more easily.
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Re: Riversimple

Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:22 am

Couldn't agree more, but what we have here are lots of are fleets of trucks, vans, and other assorted commercial vehicles wherein the use of hydrogen to assist with heavier transport makes some sense.

For instance, its one thing to have a battery and attempt to transport a 10,000 lb. of perishables (food for instance) 10-20+miles and another to transport it 200+ miles. If you look at the risk of losing the perishables load, this is more than likely not a risk that a commercial operator would accept.

But a hydrogen vehicle that can transport 300+ miles or a hydrogen range extended one (like the HyKangoo mentioned above) may change the risk perception.

The notion seems like it should work in fleets of commercial vehicles.
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Re: Riversimple

Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:57 am

Here's an article that applies: http://insideevs.com/renault-developing ... ile-range/

This may be achievable now in fleets with hydrogen; again if the HyKangoo is available, why not a bigger commercial vehicle?
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Re: Riversimple

Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:02 am

And here's a few hydrogen fuel cell sites for forklifts; perhaps good examples of fuel cell use in a fleet:

http://hydrogenforklift.com/home.html

http://www.nuvera.com/markets/industria ... /forklifts

http://h2andyou.org/caseStudies_forklift.asp
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Re: Riversimple

Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:41 am

siai47 wrote:Could it be the owner of the Black Tesla Model S parked in the background near the end of the video?

In the fully charged thread, there is a video for the electric ATV. The front end of the same Tesla can be seen for a split second. I'd say it belongs to Robert.
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